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Back To Egypt Ring by Klarenden Back To Egypt Ring by Klarenden
Duh' ! What else? Come on now, I have a strong taste for egyptian artwork, its got to be obvious! I wish I really did buy this ring in Egypt, and if it was from Egypt, it would be 14k gold (OUCH! I'm allergic to gold!). So I made my own design while I dream of Egypt.

I captured this ring in the wire pattern ring project in the previous files here. It's the same band, with a touch up. The scarab is from the egyptian scarab project ring that calasped from using the old and new sterling silver and melting them together. I cut out the scarab from what was left of the ring (and I still have a piece of the band).

The trick with this ring, which I knew was going to be a pain. The band itself is .999 sterling silver, which means dead soft. It likes to melt before silver does. Though it doesn't really melt, it just gets red and soft under flames which allowed enough time for the scarab to melt the soldering points together with the ring. I had to forge and hammer the ring back into shape after melting.

The scarab is from a limited project. The wire ring can be made anytime. I'm debating if I should put this item up for sale or not. I need to find a source of scarab wax designs, once thats possible, I won't be as reluctant to sell this baby. I have more of these in stock, it can be done again. Please email for details if you should be interested.
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Gadgetsmith Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I carve Scarabs & such all the time, mostly because I can't sleep, so if you ever sign back into this, shoot Me a note, and maybe I could send you one to make a mold to cast more of these with. I've made so many different designs, some better than others, but most aren't uploaded here.
CosmicFolklore Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2008
Umm, I was reading your description, and I am confused. 99.9 refers to pure silver, which can be dead soft or work hardened. It doesn't have memory the same way sterling does, but I have never heard of .999 sterling. Pure silver is usually not used for rings or prongs because it stays mailable even when work hardened. I use it for ring occasionally, because it does form to the wearers finger.

Beautiful work none-the-less :)

Get you a copper bracelet and wear it till you no longer turn green and itch, and you won't show allergies to gold. Or, maybe try chicken livers, he he.

I'm just jibbing ya :) Hope your having a great day.
Klarenden Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
yeah if you buy from rio, it says fine silver is .999, its a direct reference the material is made from, the band itself is .999 fine silver, which is also dead soft silver. It does have different temp degrees to melt, it likes to melt before .925 silver, which is standard silver (following rio's listings)


I think I'll stay away from copper....if thats true, then technically I should eat all the shrimp to cure my allergies to it uh? Only if it didn't swell up my throat and eyes...i'd give it a try lol
CosmicFolklore Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
Actually, I hate to come across as disagreeable, but it is the other way around. Pure silver (or .999 or 99.9) melts at 1761, sterling (which is .925) melts at 1650, and coin (which is .90) melts at 1615. The more copper in the metal the lower the melting point, but the odd this is that copper melts at 1981.[link]

Dead soft silver can become harder by working it, like with a hammer or by polishing, or you can heat to 600 degrees for a couple of hours. Annealing it brings it back to dead soft.

However, instead of buying your metal from Rio, which sticks to market value + extra charges, I find that I can haggle with coin shops on silver bars and coins. I never pay market value. I got 12 oz of pure (or.999) for $70 yesterday. I also pick up coin silver, which is out-of-circ quarters and dimes from pre'65 to alloy my own metal to sterling. These I get for less than $4 an oz. Then, as I need sheet or wire, I just use my ingot molds and roll my own stock. It takes minutes, and I always save money. Plus, I can tell my customers that I start with coins and gravel and make my jewelery from the raw materials. And, I control whether it is dead soft or hard. Just an idea :)
Klarenden Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
GAH I was following instructions on RIO, so if .999 isn't fine sterling silver, then RIO is wrong? It's on their description, its on their I just assumed it was right since it's published like crazy.... Oh well, it doesn't matter, I went for the wire pattern design, not for the material, besides it being sterling silver. The bug on the top is regular silver, I believe at that time, the bug grains was probably from guessienweien (i killed their german name horribly), I'll give you the correct spelling when I'm at home.

I noticed with dead soft silver, it doesn't like being mangled with, its super easy to melt and plain difficult to work with sometimes, but if you use a small tip when firing solder and little as possible, its not so bad.

Where do you get your stuff? I prefer sheets, coins are annoying, it restricts you to different items to make. Though, I bought a package of 4mm 2 sets of 22 gauge for a particular project cause it fits the size it needs to be. I can't cut circles, it comes out like a lop sided oval.

What's gravel?
CosmicFolklore Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
Gravel is what we Southerners call rocks smaller than a breadbox ;)

Rio has a magazine? I just get a catalog. The softness of the metal shouldn't have anything to do with how fast it melts. Metal is made up of these crystal that can be compacted or spread out. The more compact, the harder it is. Annealing it spreads these back out to make it easier to move and shape. I have gotten some stock from Rio that wasn't exactly what was listed on the shipping order. Sometimes, they just make mistakes. Dead soft should have been easy enough to bend with your fingers. But, it didn't matter to me, because I know how to change the hardness of the metals.

Coins, I alloy to sterling or a Japanese alloy and then pour into either a sheet mold or wire mold, and then mill to the gauge that I need. I used to use a hammer to mill to gauge, but now I have a rolling mill, which saves hours of damage to my arms. I use draw plates to gauge down my tubes and wires. I estimate that I saved about $1,200 this year by using coins, ingots, and scrap metal I bought from pawn shops and coin shops.

Don't you guys cover metallurgy in your jewelry classes? I would have thought that, that would have been day 1 stuff. If not, but Tim McCreight's books and read. You can also get tons of good info on the ganoksin website. It's not rocket science, and knowing your material can greatly expand what you can do with it.

I also refine my own silver, but when you get to a point where you want to try to turn your sweeps and scraps back into pure silver, I have a great essay on that :) It involves the same chemicals that you can get from printmaking supply companies, but you have to be comfortable using acids. And, you need to do it outside.

LOL, I don't mind being a metal nerd. How much does the Rio mag charge for .999 sterling? he he. Oh, and never buy that Argentinium crap :)
Klarenden Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
Oh yeah I saw granulins or something like that, is that the same thing as the southern slang?

Magazines, catalog....its the same thing...a big fat book that takes DAYS to go through. Its a money sucker to, burries holes into the wallet.

The roller mill does damage on the arms to. Occassionally things get stuck in it and it becomes an arm exercise, I guess it depends on the pressure and what exactly is going into it.

Were only taught the very basics of metal. It's not a metallurgy class, its a fabrication class, the other one she teaches is casting and 3d. It being a fabrication class, there's alot of studying time into metals to learn on your own. She only wants you to learn lost wax process and basics of fabricating. She's pretty advanced herself but, considering there is no real advanced class for her fabrication, you just do whatever, so its really up to you to learn more. The one student claims one day she will make her own mokum sheet.

your into your metals, you refine and make purple know your metals....the studio i'm in, just makes stuff already done, i even buy premade bezels cause I am making a 5mm round bezel now, and I forgot how much of a pain they are...

They charge 13 an ounce for silver, I dunno what fine silver is, i don't buy it that often.....and I like argentium, so what if it isn't PURPLE :P
CosmicFolklore Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
Klarenden Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008
yups thats it, whats that for? Same thing? Whats the difference from that to casting grains?

PS you are now my metal instructor!
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moonbeebz Featured By Owner May 26, 2008  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Wow! I\'m so glad you went back to it! It\'s beautiful and well, interesting.
Often I abandon projects that give me trouble when these are the very pieces that offer teach me the most. I think a good contest theme would be \"Just Finish It!\" and include all the repairs and projects sitting in plastic containers on the back of the bench.
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