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Duh' ! What else? Come on now, I have a strong taste for egyptian artwork, its got to be obvious! I wish I really did buy this ring in Egypt, and if it was from Egypt, it would be 14k gold (OUCH! I'm allergic to gold!). So I made my own design while I dream of Egypt.

I captured this ring in the wire pattern ring project in the previous files here. It's the same band, with a touch up. The scarab is from the egyptian scarab project ring that calasped from using the old and new sterling silver and melting them together. I cut out the scarab from what was left of the ring (and I still have a piece of the band).

The trick with this ring, which I knew was going to be a pain. The band itself is .999 sterling silver, which means dead soft. It likes to melt before silver does. Though it doesn't really melt, it just gets red and soft under flames which allowed enough time for the scarab to melt the soldering points together with the ring. I had to forge and hammer the ring back into shape after melting.

The scarab is from a limited project. The wire ring can be made anytime. I'm debating if I should put this item up for sale or not. I need to find a source of scarab wax designs, once thats possible, I won't be as reluctant to sell this baby. I have more of these in stock, it can be done again. Please email for details if you should be interested.
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Gadgetsmith Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I carve Scarabs & such all the time, mostly because I can't sleep, so if you ever sign back into this, shoot Me a note, and maybe I could send you one to make a mold to cast more of these with. I've made so many different designs, some better than others, but most aren't uploaded here.
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CosmicFolklore Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2008
Umm, I was reading your description, and I am confused. 99.9 refers to pure silver, which can be dead soft or work hardened. It doesn't have memory the same way sterling does, but I have never heard of .999 sterling. Pure silver is usually not used for rings or prongs because it stays mailable even when work hardened. I use it for ring occasionally, because it does form to the wearers finger.

Beautiful work none-the-less :)

Get you a copper bracelet and wear it till you no longer turn green and itch, and you won't show allergies to gold. Or, maybe try chicken livers, he he.

I'm just jibbing ya :) Hope your having a great day.
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
yeah if you buy from rio, it says fine silver is .999, its a direct reference the material is made from, the band itself is .999 fine silver, which is also dead soft silver. It does have different temp degrees to melt, it likes to melt before .925 silver, which is standard silver (following rio's listings)

Thanks

I think I'll stay away from copper....if thats true, then technically I should eat all the shrimp to cure my allergies to it uh? Only if it didn't swell up my throat and eyes...i'd give it a try lol
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CosmicFolklore Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
Actually, I hate to come across as disagreeable, but it is the other way around. Pure silver (or .999 or 99.9) melts at 1761, sterling (which is .925) melts at 1650, and coin (which is .90) melts at 1615. The more copper in the metal the lower the melting point, but the odd this is that copper melts at 1981.[link]

Dead soft silver can become harder by working it, like with a hammer or by polishing, or you can heat to 600 degrees for a couple of hours. Annealing it brings it back to dead soft.

However, instead of buying your metal from Rio, which sticks to market value + extra charges, I find that I can haggle with coin shops on silver bars and coins. I never pay market value. I got 12 oz of pure (or.999) for $70 yesterday. I also pick up coin silver, which is out-of-circ quarters and dimes from pre'65 to alloy my own metal to sterling. These I get for less than $4 an oz. Then, as I need sheet or wire, I just use my ingot molds and roll my own stock. It takes minutes, and I always save money. Plus, I can tell my customers that I start with coins and gravel and make my jewelery from the raw materials. And, I control whether it is dead soft or hard. Just an idea :)
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
GAH I was following instructions on RIO, so if .999 isn't fine sterling silver, then RIO is wrong? It's on their description, its on their magazines...so I just assumed it was right since it's published like crazy.... Oh well, it doesn't matter, I went for the wire pattern design, not for the material, besides it being sterling silver. The bug on the top is regular silver, I believe at that time, the bug grains was probably from guessienweien (i killed their german name horribly), I'll give you the correct spelling when I'm at home.

I noticed with dead soft silver, it doesn't like being mangled with, its super easy to melt and plain difficult to work with sometimes, but if you use a small tip when firing solder and little as possible, its not so bad.

Where do you get your stuff? I prefer sheets, coins are annoying, it restricts you to different items to make. Though, I bought a package of 4mm 2 sets of 22 gauge for a particular project cause it fits the size it needs to be. I can't cut circles, it comes out like a lop sided oval.

What's gravel?
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CosmicFolklore Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
Gravel is what we Southerners call rocks smaller than a breadbox ;)

Rio has a magazine? I just get a catalog. The softness of the metal shouldn't have anything to do with how fast it melts. Metal is made up of these crystal that can be compacted or spread out. The more compact, the harder it is. Annealing it spreads these back out to make it easier to move and shape. I have gotten some stock from Rio that wasn't exactly what was listed on the shipping order. Sometimes, they just make mistakes. Dead soft should have been easy enough to bend with your fingers. But, it didn't matter to me, because I know how to change the hardness of the metals.

Coins, I alloy to sterling or a Japanese alloy and then pour into either a sheet mold or wire mold, and then mill to the gauge that I need. I used to use a hammer to mill to gauge, but now I have a rolling mill, which saves hours of damage to my arms. I use draw plates to gauge down my tubes and wires. I estimate that I saved about $1,200 this year by using coins, ingots, and scrap metal I bought from pawn shops and coin shops.

Don't you guys cover metallurgy in your jewelry classes? I would have thought that, that would have been day 1 stuff. If not, but Tim McCreight's books and read. You can also get tons of good info on the ganoksin website. It's not rocket science, and knowing your material can greatly expand what you can do with it.

I also refine my own silver, but when you get to a point where you want to try to turn your sweeps and scraps back into pure silver, I have a great essay on that :) It involves the same chemicals that you can get from printmaking supply companies, but you have to be comfortable using acids. And, you need to do it outside.

LOL, I don't mind being a metal nerd. How much does the Rio mag charge for .999 sterling? he he. Oh, and never buy that Argentinium crap :)
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
Oh yeah I saw granulins or something like that, is that the same thing as the southern slang?

Magazines, catalog....its the same thing...a big fat book that takes DAYS to go through. Its a money sucker to, burries holes into the wallet.

The roller mill does damage on the arms to. Occassionally things get stuck in it and it becomes an arm exercise, I guess it depends on the pressure and what exactly is going into it.

Were only taught the very basics of metal. It's not a metallurgy class, its a fabrication class, the other one she teaches is casting and 3d. It being a fabrication class, there's alot of studying time into metals to learn on your own. She only wants you to learn lost wax process and basics of fabricating. She's pretty advanced herself but, considering there is no real advanced class for her fabrication, you just do whatever, so its really up to you to learn more. The one student claims one day she will make her own mokum sheet.

your into your metals, you refine and make purple stuff....you know your metals....the studio i'm in, just makes stuff already done, i even buy premade bezels cause I am making a 5mm round bezel now, and I forgot how much of a pain they are...

They charge 13 an ounce for silver, I dunno what fine silver is, i don't buy it that often.....and I like argentium, so what if it isn't PURPLE :P
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CosmicFolklore Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
Granulins?
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2008
yups thats it, whats that for? Same thing? Whats the difference from that to casting grains?

PS you are now my metal instructor!
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moonbeebz Featured By Owner May 26, 2008  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Wow! I\'m so glad you went back to it! It\'s beautiful and well, interesting.
Often I abandon projects that give me trouble when these are the very pieces that offer teach me the most. I think a good contest theme would be \"Just Finish It!\" and include all the repairs and projects sitting in plastic containers on the back of the bench.
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Klarenden Featured By Owner May 26, 2008
You haven't seen my file cabinet! lol. It's got a combination of abondoned projects from my aunt and myself. Tends to add up a lil bit. Or you use just a small piece of it for something else, and the other part is still neglected!

What kind of projects are you into?
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moonbeebz Featured By Owner May 28, 2008  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Hmmm. Right now I've been doing beading repairs, finishing old beading and a new beaded necklace. I can do beadwork in bed, where I've spent a lot of my free time lately. (I had a bout of fatigue that lasted for about a month. So frustratin';) I think the finish it/fixit phase is over. I feel better and I must create something new (with all the failures, broken bits and sidetracks that will flow into the backbench tupperware like so many water dropplets to the sea....
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Klarenden Featured By Owner May 28, 2008
Must be nice to have a hobby in bed...well besides that lol. Sorry that didn't come out right, but you know what I mean. It's good to have something to carry you over till the unwanted spells are gone. For me , if something lasts that long, I try to change my diet and add vitamins to see if it helps. Did you ever find out what it was?
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moonbeebz Featured By Owner May 28, 2008  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I think it was an increased work pace/hours+crazy shifts+poor diet+ flu. I had been taking my 'nims or I think it would have been worse. But I've stopped. Thnx for reminding me.*swallows*
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Klarenden Featured By Owner May 29, 2008
Awee I hate those. Those are the ones that bring you down more then a regular cold to. Sorry I reminded you. Please stay better! lol.
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bodaszilvia Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2008  Professional Artisan Crafter
:faint: :wow: this is wonderful!!! i'm just speechless...
i :heart: egyptian culture too
:worship:
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2008
hehe wait till i start making copies of it!
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bodaszilvia Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2008  Professional Artisan Crafter
waiting ;)
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OfGermanBlood Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2008  Student Photographer
*stare* um yess fav + this is awesome
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2008
hehe thank you. it's part of my every day jewelry now.. :)
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Nseiki102 Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2008
Have you ever been to egypt? THe ring is beautiful too. The design is very nice especially around the band.
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2008
I wish...i think if i went to egypt, i would not be back in the states lol. one of these days i will ride a camel in the dessert egyptian sand....the ones that spit and make noises and grunt...in the sunset of egypt...haha lol
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Nseiki102 Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2008
lol good luck! I know you will get there and will break out all kinds of new pieces. It's exciting to think about
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2008
hehe yeah i can't wait...:)
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Nseiki102 Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2008
You will have to take lots of pi ctures too. I would love to see egypt too. I can't wait till I get out of school with my masters. I'm going to work hard save up money and travel
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2008
Me tooo!!! lol I haven't been outside of the states since...I was 15.
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Nseiki102 Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2008
Yeah! when I go to japan I will have to take lots of pictures and post them up here on deviant. I will try and find a lot of interesting shots that would be could for back grounds as well as finding new textures and inspirations that I will use for my art. ^_^ now I"m getting all excited about the thought of travel.
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2008
oooooh japan! now were talking! when do you think you'll be going?
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TomCatDriver Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2008
but isn,t gold supposed to be non-allergenic?
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2008
Supposely, I think. But its more of the alloy of gold that I'm allergic to. Not gold itself. It only seems to be when I start breaking sweat, the metals get all itchy on my skin. Copper is the worst. Though, I had a white gold ring once....I never had any reactio to that one. I don't sweat that often, even though Ilive in florida. For some reason I just get super dehydrated instead, so in hot weathers I try to keep up with my liquid intakes.
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CosmicFolklore Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2008
White gold is rhodium plated, so the metal never touches your skin. :)
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
your a metal nerd, you know that?
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CosmicFolklore Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
LOL, I don't mind :)
However, there are folks that I occasionally have to ask questions of.
It seams I am always learning something new about my materials.
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
yeah, oh hey, i had to use boric acid for argentium silver set of wedding rings i fired up today, kinda cool.
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CosmicFolklore Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
Why argentium silver? I haven't figured out the attraction to this new alloy.
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2008
its PURTY, i like the color of whiteness to it. ARG professor took out the scale that I need to weigh the investment in, any idea how many pounds are in CC? lol
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TomCatDriver Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2008
dehydration is a bit of a problem in my business.
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2008
well dunno if your like me...but soda and coffee is always on the menu. i try to equalize it out with water, but it never seems enough.
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TomCatDriver Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2008
we have to make up for moisture loss caused by the dry air in the cabin. the ACM air conditioning system removes moisture/humidity in the coalescers and just vents it overboard.
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2008
doesn't sound too friendly..
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TomCatDriver Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2008
just the way it is. moisture has to be removed and disposed of to prevent water accumulation that might freeze at high altitudes and cause systems damage.
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lizstaley Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2008  Professional General Artist
That is absolutely beautiful! I'm glad you managed to salvage the scarab. I know I don't have enough money to buy it, I'm sure, but it's a fantastic piece of jewelry!
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2008
Hehe thankyou. Yeah, I haven't figured out a price yet, but i'm thinking around 65 dollars for it, only cause the wire is fine sterling silver. You could always spend your tax dollars on my pieces ;) assuming you didn't spend it yet..lol
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lizstaley Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2008  Professional General Artist
Hmmm... that is so tempting for when I get the economic stimulus check. I will have to keep it in mind. :)
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Klarenden Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2008
hehe, I need to make a mold for the pretty scarab so I can make more elegant designs like this one.
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